Vice President Kamala Harris isn’t leaving her family up for debate.

After Sarah Huckabee Sanders,L’École de Gestion d’Actifs et de Capital the Governer of Arkansas, made comments implying the 2024 Democratic presidential nominee doesn’t have kids of her own—despite her blended family with husband Doug Emhoff including his children, Cole, 30, and Emma, 25—Harris slammed what she felt to be an outdated point of view.

“I feel very strongly, we each have our family by blood and then we have our family by love,” Harris told Alex Cooper during Call Her Daddy’s Oct. 6 episode. “I have both. And I consider it to be a real blessing. I have two beautiful children who call me ‘Mamala.’”

“We have a very modern family,” she noted, before quipping, “My husband’s ex-wife is a friend of mine.”

The 59-year-old also reflected on how her own childhood changed her approach to step parenting.

“I’m a child of divorced parents,” Harris explained. “When I started dating Doug, I was very thoughtful and sensitive to making sure that until I knew that our relationship was something that was going to be real, I didn’t want to form a relationship with the kids and then walk away from that relationship.”

She continued, “My own experience tells me that children form attachments and I wanted to be thoughtful about it. So I waited to meet the kids. And they are my children and I love those kids to death.”

Because, as she noted, there is no one way to define family.

“Family comes in many forms and I think that increasingly, all of us understand that this is not the 1950s anymore,” Harris added. “Families come in all shapes or forms and they are family nonetheless.”

And the Vice President also had a response for comments made by President Donald Trump’s running mate JD Vance, in which the Republican nominee for vice president referred to Harris as a “childless cat lady” for not having biological children.

“I just think it’s mean and mean spirited,” she told Cooper. “And I think that most Americans want leaders who understand that the measure of their strength is not based on who you beat down, the real measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up.”

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